Classic Beck. A woman from Massachussets called Glenn Beck’s radio show. She obviously isn’t a regular listener and did her very best to provoke him. It worked. What sent him completely over the edge, after he shot down her dumb arguments in favor of socialized health care, was the caller telling him something like “you people don’t care about bailouts.” If you’ve ever watched or listened to Glenn Beck you know this woman never has.
H/T Hot Air
I’m pretty sure “Kathy” was some operative from the DNC. They only discuss talking points. If she was really a Massachusetts resident she would know that the state was in serious trouble. I wish Glenn had had a chance to use caller ID, It wouldn’t surprise me if she was some wonk working for Pelosi. On the other hand, if we don’t get the Blue Dogs in line, we will be stuck with this. God help us.
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How many POOR uninsured have two cars in the driveway,with 22′s and bumpin steros? How many gots 25 pairs of sneakers in da closet?How many gots money for a nice gold grill? How many gots money for some blunts fo da weekend?How many gots a Xbox and a stack of games?How many gots dem a big 60 inch HD tv?How many of dem spend all day everyday sippin a 40 ?How many of dem gots der babies daddy in the jailhouse instead of out working to support their family? How many of dem gots fore r fi kids and one in da oven and has never held a job?How many of dem gots money for everything else they desire but looks to government to pay their way? I say SCREW THEM.Starve,live under abridge and die in the street before these blood suckers in government take one more dollar from working people doing the right thing.Have a nice day you leeches.
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God Bless you Glenn Beck .
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Finally! Someone has to shut these people up and i’m glad it’s Glenn Beck. By the way the new book sounds like it’s going to be the Federalist Papers of our time. Can’t Wait!
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Wow, where to start? Had Enough, you’re just a stereotyping scarred little man who thinks everyone who is different than you is evil. I’m sorry but I’ve traveled a bit in my day and people, all people have far more things in common than not. Most people love their families and friends and want them to be healthy,happy and safe. Most people want to work and have purpose in there lives, it is human nature. It is true however that some people have given up, lost there way or are just plain lazy. But this isn’t the majority of any racial makeup and is quite often influenced by opportunity or lack there of. As far as welfare programs, there is an amazing amount of fraud, so why don’t people stop bitching and come up with solutions. If you’re already receiving welfare and have a baby you won’t receive any additional assistance(no more knockin out babies on the govs dime). If your taking unemployment you will have to work 20 hrs a week working for a local nonprofit i.e. habitat for humanity, salvation army etc. there are tons to chose from! Something that benefits your community. These two simple steps would wipe out a huge portion of the fraud and add value to our communities and save money. Many of the social programs that we have instituted over the years have helped America maintain it’s status, and are necessary to keep a minimum standard of living so portions of our country don’t resemble 3rd world countries.
Now for Glenn, I’ve tried to watch you on Fox and listen on the radio, you do have some entertaining moments but I can’t last long. You never seem to have any solutions for anything, it’s always the same old sky is falling alarmist mentality with a constant head ringing of complaints. The truth of the matter is, several social programs are abused and some are not even necessary. However, the matter of health care reform isn’t such a thing. Insurance rates have doubled in the last ten years, it’s easier than ever for insurance companies to use loop holes and drop coverage in costly medical emergencies. There are too many other problems to list. This has nothing to do with our great Doctors or Nurses although many try to conflate the two, it’s the insurance companies. So if you don’t believe that a public option or some other gov provided option is the right answer, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS?????
P.S. Just because you try something and it doesn’t workout the first time doesn’t mean you just scrap it. You re-evaluate, make necessary changes and proceed to your goal. Thank god non of you were around when our Country was started, I don’t think we ever would of made it far. Try being problem solvers instead of constantly trying to divide, it’s United We Stand Divided We Fall in case you’ve forgotten.
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Hey Nick, I hesitated to respond on this broken thread but couldn’t help myself. Where do I start?
You made a good point in mentioning that people on government assistance should return the favor with some work, but then you lost me. Do you really believe there aren’t Americans who are perfectly willing to work the system to avoid work? Trust me, not everyone wants to work. If they did, why would we have that fraud you mentioned? There are those who find themselves in hard times and grudgingly accept public assistance until they work their way out of hard times. There are others who simply develop a lifestyle so they can remain on public assistance for life. There’s a big difference.
If insurance companies are the only villians here, why did President Obama attack ENT surgeons the other night when he accused them of performing tonsillectomies on children who don’t need them? Why not just attack insurance companies? He doesn’t want our “great doctors and nurses” to be paid what they are worth. Who do you think pays them more – insurance companies or the government?
And to say you hope “none of you” were around at the time our republic (that’s what it is, by the way, look it up!) was founded?!? That is the most absurd statement I have ever heard! It was people like you that feared the Brits, that gave aide and comfort to the Brits, and who, if they had their way, the Declaration of Independence would never have been ratified. Learn your history, dear boy. The Founders of this great republic had no use for wealth redistribution or taking from one to give to another. They believed in private, voluntary, charity. Not the taking of one to give to another. You obviously are totally uninformed – no matter how much time you spend “travelling the country.”
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Thank you for your thoughtful response. My point was that most people, American or otherwise want to work and have a since of purpose. Of course there is always people who will game the System from the richest to the poorest of us. That doesn’t mean the system cannot be altered to eliminate or deter the fraud.
I’m not Barrack Obama and no one speaks for me but myself. I think that our Doctors and Nurses for the most part maintain a high degree of professionalism and Service. However, you can’t tell me that some doctors within our current health-care system with it’s top heavy pharmaceutical company incentives don’t make some medical decisions regarding financial gain. Remember there will always be people who game the system.
This is why I don’t believe that a health-care system should be profit oriented or driven it should be ran as a sort of non-profit doctors and nurses should keep there same salaries or even be paid more. We should focus on increasing our efficiencies and decrease the amount of middle man(insurance companies and processes)in the system. Patient-Doctor-Payment rather that full staffs of people trying to figure out ways to save money with ill regard for actual patient health.
I was implying that if all we had around was a bunch of non idea having capitulating complainers during our country’s inception I don’t think we would have made it far. We had problem solvers, people who had Ideas of how address pass grievances and prevent new one’s and the courage and vision to create a strong nation that served its people. Why would I have feared the Brits? I have no problem speaking to power on any issue, it would have been more likely that I would’ve had a short life for standing up for what I believe in. As far wealth redistribution, you have got to be kidding me. 35% of our Countries wealth is held by 1% of our population. I’m sure that’s exactly what are founders envisioned. I must have missed that in school!
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Nick, you are thoughtful and I appreciate that. But I must disagree. If not for the profit motive we would not have MRI’s, colonoscopies, new drugs or new cancer treatments, to name just a few. You cannot dictate human nature. And if you talk about pie charts, and percentages of people that hold the income, you just are not getting it. The pie has shrunk. The pie isn’t static. You can’t make the pie grow. If you just go and try to take from the biggest holders of the pie the only thing that happens is the pie shrinks. No more investment. The rich will find safer shores for their money. Don’t you want the rich to invest here and get richer – while providing jobs to the rest of us? Or do you prefer that the rich start hiding their money and stop hiring people like us? Yes, in my day job I work for a rich person. He’s a good guy. I’d hate to see him destroyed because I would lose my job. And when he’s threatened with huge tax increases guess what happens? No bonus. Thanks alot Obama!
And I just lost a loved one this week. As sad and heart wrenching as it was, if not for the best medical care in the world we would have lost her five years ago. Those five years were such a blessing. I certainly wouldn’t want a government bureaucrat saying she didn’t deserve those five years.
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I’m truly sorry for your loss. But I must also disagree. The majority of all scientific advancements have been conceived and created by people who have a passion for their work, not for profit. Being a scientist is not a wise career choice if you want to become rich. I don’t dispute that the majority of funding for R&D to produce these advancements has come from the private sector but that’s just a matter of funding. The science, ideas, drive and passion to solve our problems exists and will always. There would be no bureaucrat standing in your way of receiving care. Every plan proposed thus far as no exclusions for pre existing conditions or anything else to indicate your medical needs wouldn’t be taken care of. Read the plan.
I don’t think the free market is a bad thing it supplies us with everything from our food to unlimited sources and choices of material possessions. However as I’ve stated before there are certain things that a Society should eliminate the profit motive in, such as Health-care and Education. The better we are at providing these things to all of our citizens the stronger our Country will be. More people to work, less people with the looming stress of a medical condition bankrupting them. These factors are critical in competing in the 21st century world and our directly related to our Nations long term stability and Economic success.
If you don’t agree,please,by all means let me know what you would propose to address our health-care system woes. It needs something, we can’t just stay the course.A record amount of people are loosing their insurance daily because they simply can’t afford it!
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One more thing, your statement about the pie?!? The pie can certainly grow, if the pie were only able to remain static or shrink the pie would already been gone. Where it’s true the makeup of the pie cannot exceed more than %100, you can surely have a more equally portioned pie. Or at least one that promotes growth on both ends of the spectrum.
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You don’t seem to understand the basic principles of economics (neither does Obama.) http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/765kishz.asp
As far as health providers wanting to continue in a socialist system – here’s a good article. (Thanks Lew) http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=333327285894028
I’m busy enjoying the first summer day we’ve had in my neck of the woods. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
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Hey Nick, trust me I’m not scared, I’m ready willing and able to do whatever needs to be done. I was watching C span friday and the discussion was having welfare and public housing beneficiaries work at least 8 hrs. a month as payment for the services they receive.Barney Frank and another democratic congressman went nuts on the mere suggestion they should have to work for their benefits. The one moron even suggested it was akin to indentured servitude.I could not believe what I was watching. What a fine example of the mentality that put this country into bankruptcy.Government benefits should come with a price and not become a way of life. And I wasn’t just pointing out the behavior of blacks there are probably a majority of whites sucking the life out of this country just based on population.
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Hey Lonely Conservative, you’re almost as funny as Glen B. The fact you would send me to a editorial puff piece to shore up my so called lack of economic understanding is a riot. Nobody fact checks anything anymore, apparently including yourself. Some of Barnes criticism are totally unfounded and his suggestions are already being done by the current administration. The people he quotes, such as Charles Krauthammer. This guy is obviously very intelligent but he specializes in shredding every issue down to it’s most emotionally polarizing state, which helps nothing and it’s manipulative! He also once praised Fox for not just creating a venue for alternative opinion, “It created an alternate reality” he said. Fox is not the only one doing this, we’re not getting news anymore we’re getting cherry picked information meant to sensationalize and entertain,drive up viewer ship and or subscriptions, rather than fact checked news needed to make well informed decisions on our countries direction. Do yourself a favor, fact check, read proposals, look back at history and for god sake when people are quoted look up their professional history. Form your own opinion by informing yourself with facts not opinions. I simply don’t have the time nor energy to counter your opinion informed ideology with true facts. Enjoy your summer vacation, may I have one myself one day!
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A day off is hardly a summer vacation. Sorry, I can’t send you the books I read. And don’t go accusing me of not knowing my history. Where do you get your news? The AP? You probably believe FDR saved the economy.
So much for a civil dialogue.
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I was enjoying the civil dialogue, but I must remind of your statements in your previous posts “You obviously are totally uninformed” “If you talk about pie charts, and percentages of people that hold the income, you just are not getting it” You don’t seem to understand the basic principles of economics”. I’m sorry I wasn’t trying to be rude but every time I point out a different position, I’m apparently uninformed, I assure you I am not. Your points of reference as I have stated are no more that opinion pieces. No, I don’t get my news from the AP I get my news by using the internet, it’s truly a powerful tool in forming your own perception through rigorous fact checking. If a pundit quotes a statement I’ll find either the actual whole statement, video and some times transcripts to understand the context of the statement. I then look at the person who made the statements history, past article, speeches etc. Then I fact check what has been said. What I usually find is a endless chain of people quoting people and at the end of the day no one is actually checking the so called facts these people are championing. It’s infuriating that so many people aren’t willing to actually put in the work to form their own opinions and are all to happy to be spoon fed nonsense by people who are usually so brainwashed or just have ulterior motifs for their actions or statements. There are broader considerations to take into account than a two page article or 30 second sound bites can’t bring justice to. You have to dig to get an overall picture, Information is like an ecosystem everything is related the trick is to understand the full extent of your actions upon a system when changing it. I’m a professional troubleshooter by trade so I guess I tend to break things down, analyze, then proceed or in this case form an opinion. Sorry a little ranty, but it’s been a long couple of weeks. I could give you a good idea on how to save a ton of money in our health care system by simply creating efficient, effective state of the art preventative care clinics that use technology we already have and could serve 50,000 people a year, would gross over 5 million a year at a price of $100 per person annually and would cost less than 5 million to build. Reach solvency in 2 years If your interested.
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Well, that would certainly cost a lot less than totally transforming what I believe is the best medical care in the world. Let me ask you this, if they are so concerned about covering those who are uninsured (and not illegal and not uninsured by choice) wouldn’t it be a lot cheaper to just pay for health insurance for the 8 or 10 million that really need it? Why impose on the rest of us socialized medicine when we are happy with what we have?
As far as you criticizing me for directing you to a couple of opinion pieces, it was a busy week. My response to you wasn’t a blog post – it was a quick reply to a comment. Sorry, but I didn’t put a whole lot of thought or time into it. I have a full time job, a husband who just started a business that I’m doing the books for, and two young boys to look after. Sorry if I don’t spend more of my precious time looking up links you approve of. In addition, the day I insulted you with those opinion pieces is a day I was hosting grieving relatives and their children at my home. Do you expect that I should have spent more time thoroughly researching a reply to a comment on my blog? Again, sorry, but that’s not one of my top priorities.
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Oh,and the economy isn’t a pie.
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I Believe the pie I was referring to was a representation of our nations wealth distribution or redistribution, you choose.
I’m sorry, it sounds like you’ve had a rather tumultuous week. In retrospect thank you for continuing the dialogue. Good luck to your husband, I started my own biz a couple years ago and am on the verge of forming a corp. with a business partner, have to give presentation to investors in October.
As for the health care system, it would be nice if you could just devise a system the took care of the 10 or so million that truly need it. The problem is the shared risk would be to
toxic the insurance program would never be solvent and become a cash sinkhole. The Idea their proposing is a public option insurance program that cost 1 trillion over 10 years to set up, but attains solvency(budget and deficit neutral). Also a big chunk of this is for modernizing how medical records are processed for greater accuracy and efficiency,which is sorely needed(in the private sector). The only way to achieve a solvent plan is to lower the shared risk, the only way to do this is to increase the number of people in your plan with lower risk. As far as the cost effectiveness of such plan, logic says that if the government ran insurance company changed nothing and just copied the current plans out there they could offer the same care at a cheaper price due to a non profit structure. Once they’ve paid claims,processors and secure reserves. Know, having said that I haven’t seen a final plan yet, it could turn out to be a complete piece of garbage. I think it really depends on how much advice they take from nurses and physicians versus politicians when drafting the final copy.
I think it’s a valid argument to say what about those people who don’t want insurance but I know of no other way to cover the ones that are truly need it. Remember, their just offering an insurance plan the same doctors and nurses are still out there and it’s your choice if you want the public option or you opt for a private option. This is not just a plan for a public option it has a lot of money allocated to assisting the reforming of the current private health care system.
The other argument is the initial cost of the plan and how to pay for it. That’s debatable.
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The best way to distribute wealth is for the government to stop confiscating it. If the economy was a static pie we would still be riding horses and trading furs. When investors and producers are afraid to invest, or know that their production will result in punishing taxes, they get scared, frustrated and angry. Either way, they’ll stop investing and stop producing. Why bother? Where’s the incentive? Try reading Hayek or even the Founding Fathers for philosophical and economic arguments against wealth redistribution.
As far as health care, it seems to me you’re of the mindset that person A has a right to health care even if person B has to pay for it because person C said so. Person B would be the forgotten man. FDR twisted the lesson of the forgotten man and turned him into person A rather than person B. If you have time I would recommend Amity Shlaes’s (forgive me if I spelled it wrong – I’m tired) “The Forgotten Man.” Very eye opening and turns conventional wisdom on it’s head.
I’ve worked in the insurance industry for years. I understand that increasing the risk pool makes it easier to insure everyone. But there are ways of doing that without the government taking over our medical industry. I posted earlier a video of Barney Frank admitting that a public option is the only way to move us to a single payer system. Every place it’s been tried has been a failure. And where do the wealthy in those nations go for care when they really need it? They come here to the US. Where will we go when the government says we don’t deserve the treatment needed to live?
As far as paying for it all, the government can only print and borrow money from China for so long. What happens when our currency collapses and our debts come due?
I don’t think I will change your mind and I’m sure you won’t change mine. If only we could just divide the country – libs on one side and conservatives on the other. The RINO’s and blue dogs can live in the middle doing nothing until they figure out which side they want to live on. Libs can live by their rules and conservative can live by ours. After ten years we can all get together and see which side is working out better. Oh, and my side would have strict border enforcement.
I need to get some sleep. Have a good Friday.
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Exactly what I like to see. If you don’t agree with someone, scream at them and call them names. Glenn Beck is a great entertainer, making money off the masses. Truly a great American Hero, McCarthy would be proud for sure.
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