I received an email from a reader who is feeling the squeeze of this recession. Although it’s officially over, millions of Americans certainly haven’t recovered, and the pain goes on.
This reader is someone I’ve corresponded privately with through email for quite a while now, so I consider her a friend, even though we’ve never met. I’ve been aware of her situation and her challenges for quite a while, so I wasn’t at all surprised when I heard she is seriously considering throwing in the towel and “shrugging,” as she told me today.
You see, this woman has done everything right for her entire life. She’s worked hard, she put herself through business school to avoid the debt that four years of college would have left her with. She bought a house that was handicapped accessible in order to take care of a loved one during that one’s last years on this earth. Unfortunately, she lives in one of the areas hardest hit by the housing meltdown, and she’s underwater on her mortgage. She hasn’t missed, or even been late with, a single payment. But she wants out. She wants to move and start over. Nothing is keeping her where she is except for her house. To make matters worse, she’s feeling squeezed by the rising price of food, health insurance and energy.
And I watch countless news stories about people who are criminals (illegal aliens, felons) liars, cheats, or just stupid getting help with their mortgage loans because they “need it”. And people getting free medical services because they “need it”. And people declaring bankruptcy because it’s just too hard to pay the bills, they “need to”. All the while I see my government crushing people like me–expecting us to just keep doing, just keep paying, just keep being responsible in order to make up for all of those people who were not.
So, what is she thinking about doing?
I look at my one mortgage in a vast sea of defaulted mortgages, my two measly credit cards with their under $1,000 balances in a vast sea of defaulted credit cards and I am thinking….WHY? Why would I continue to deny my own happiness, when my sense of honor only gets me punished? When it’s what everyone else counts on in order to make their flawed scheme work? What do I owe, here? To whom do I owe it really? I spent my entire life putting other people and my financial obligations ahead of my happiness, ahead of my chance to live while I’m here on the earth and not just exist in some gray zone, making sure MY bills are paid.
I would never have imagined, three years ago, that I would resent the very, very rich and the less fortunate. Both of them are doing just fine, it’s us in the middle who are being crushed only because we managed to stay in the middle. With no help, by the way. Under our own steam. Never asked for a thing, swallowed the disappointments and kept working and paying bills. Did all of these things because our value systems said it was right and we are not owed anything. And my government, those who insist on “governing” me are so disconnected from it, are so oblivious to the rising desperation in the country. We don’t matter.
Well, I’m Egypt tonight. I’ve had it. It’s unthinkable for me—a responsible, honorable, traditional, independent woman—to entertain the idea of just walking away. Bank’s problem, not mine. But that’s where I am this week. This President and this Administration have done their best to ignite class warfare and warfare between the “differences” in America. They’ve done a great job. I resent the wealthy, I resent illegal aliens, I resent the professional victim class, I resent being told to just keep the skin in the game so they can continue to ruin every possibility of happiness for me.
My heart goes out to her. In subsequent emails I learned that she is looking into every possibility out there to get out of this situation without defaulting on her mortgage. Even though she’s had it, she really is trying to do the right thing. But I’m afraid she’s at a tipping point. And I wonder how many more like her are out there? How many more hard working, middle class Americans are ready to just throw their hands in the air and shrug? Imagine how people in the Gulf states feel, whose livelihoods were tied to the oil industry? How many factory workers, whose unions and government drove their employers to shut down operations only to reopen in places like China and Mexico?
My friend is the “Forgotten Man” of our day. Most of us are. How far away are any of us from feeling just as she does? It’s one thing to go through these challenges knowing we’re all going through it. But we aren’t all going through it. Because we now have four Americas:
1-The public employee union class
2-The entitled/welfare class
3-The elite ruling class
4-The rest of us who are paying dearly to support #s 1, 2 and 3
How much longer can this go on before we turn into Egypt, or Greece, or any other failing or failed state? Lord, I hope we can turn things around. But frankly, I don’t blame my friend at all for wanting to go Galt. If I were in her situation, I would probably feel the same way.
Update: Instapundit linked – thanks! He also linked to The Coming Middle-Class Anarchy which is worth a read.
Update 2: Vox Popoli linked – thanks!
Update 3: Daily Pundit linked – thanks!
Update 4: Political Realities linked – thanks!
Update 5: HazzzMat linked, so did Shout First Ask Questions Later and Refreshing the Tree of Liberty – Thanks!
Update 6: No One of Any Import picked up on the fact that there’s a troll named Tom who left a comment on this thread. He even prompted Tom the government employee to distinguish himself from Tom the troll. Please don’t confuse the two, Tom the government worker seems to be a decent guy.

AMEN. And just to add to the woes, after looking at Drudge’s link to the telegraph.co.uk story on how the usa is behind the unrest – i would like a way to know what is information and what is disinformation, as this mess in Egypt and Yemen and Tunisia has the capacity to get out of control in a big way. If we think we have problems now, lord help us if nutcases take over and pull another 1973 oil embargo or something like that.
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Yeah, that whole thing has me really nervous.
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LC, I totally agree with your friend. I was the same way. Responsible, hard-working, independent, able to financially support myself and my childrent as a single parent on one income. Then I got sick with cancer three years ago. It’s terminal. Yet I have done everything in my power to keep paying my bills and keep a roof over our heads. I don’t receive gov’t assistance except for Social Security disability. No food stamps, no free medical, no gov’t freebies, nothing.
I didn’t used to care if other people were better off than me. I thought they worked hard and deserved it. Now it comes out that unions – specifically gov’t unions – are ripping off the taxpayers and gov’t workers are getting golden benefits, salaries, and parachutes. Now I see that the bankers and Wall Street types are bailed out so they can afford their homes in the Hamptons and their yachts on the docks. Now I see that taxpayers are supporting people who come here illegally, work under the table, and claim to be poor so they can get food stamps and housing assistance that citizens can’t get. I was so naive. I believed in the American Dream. Now I see the land of opportunity has been squandered and pissed away to the people with the connections and money to perpetuate their own power.
Two of my college aged children cannot find jobs. They have put in applications everywhere but no one is hiring. Entry level jobs just don’t exist anymore. There are 100 applicants for every job. They are living with me and are very depressed about not finding work. No one talks about the “jobs Americans won’t do” anymore. There are no articles in the paper about the human costs of chronic unemployment. If this was a Republican administration, we would be inundated with sob stories about unemployment.
I really can’t blame your friend for considering walking away from her mortgage. If I didn’t have kids who live with me, I would consider it, too. It’s a travesty that banks practically get free money from the Fed, and loan it at 15-29% interest rates. We hear all the time about people who have not paid their mortgages in months, yet continue to live in their homes. I’m sure they don’t have the health and income challenges I have. You can enjoy a pretty nice lifestyle without a mortgage payment. I can’t afford to go out to dinner or a movie. My health insurance and mortgage payment take up 65% of my monthly income. Food prices are rising. Gas prices are rising. But I am still hanging in there, paying my bills. And I know that my story is just one of the millions of stories of those who have been terribly affected by this economic downturn and have been disgregarded by this Administration and Congress.
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All I can do is keep you in my prayers, Lisa. And I will. I don’t know what else to do.
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bravo, lisa. I will pray for you and your kids, that you find some relief; you deserve it more than the liberal “compassion” you’re getting from our country right now. ((((( for you ))))
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Here’s hoping your friend can keep fighting on the light side. Knowing it’s sometimes hard.
http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/
“Because the Only Good Progressive is a Failed Progressive”
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…you know, in Atlas Shrugged it was the men of ability who went on strike, who withdrew their talents from a world that punished them more and more for each success. What we’re looking at here–because it’s people who signed a contract to borrow money–would be people with a value system going on strike. Saying “No”. No, it is MY value system–which you disparage and joke about with high school humor–that makes the Left’s value system possible. They’re all about “take and need”. And in order for their value system to exist, they need OURS; they need US to keep doing the right thing, or their “thing” falls apart. So it’s an entire value system in danger of going Galt.
I’m rethinking all of my premises, all of my definitions of what is “moral”. I made an agreement under a particular value system; that system has changed and so I think, perhaps, have the terms of our agreement. I’m not sure, at all, that it would now be immoral for me to go Galt. Something to read, and think about, at night while I can afford to keep the lights on (without those squiggly light bulbs).
Thank you for this post…..very, very much. And other compassionate things you do.
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I’m so glad that we were able to pay everything off. My wife had been telling me for years that the housing market was headed for a fall and she was right. She talked me into paying off our land and both of our vehicles. We live in a 35 foot travel trailer with a three (3) room cabin I built beside it. We’ve lived like this for the last five years now and it’s not too bad. Work for me is real slow now, but between what little I make and her disability check, we get by. I really have sympathy for folks who are buried in debt, but are still trying to do the right thing. I’m really pissed off at the people who knowingly bought a house with no intention of carrying through with the contract. And I’m mad as hell at the lending institutions and government bureaucrats who made it so easy for people like that to buy more home than they could afford.
I remember when we moved from SoCal, we sold our 4 BDR home in a nice neighborhood for 52,000 in 1975. I checked home prices in that same neighborhood three years ago and saw that they were getting over half a million bucks for those homes and the neighborhood wasn’t so nice anymore.
Our prayers are with your friend and also for you and your family Lisa.
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I’m one of those gov. “union” employees (though I’m not dues paying, I am represented by a collective bargaining unit).
Please let me clarify a few things:
1. I haven’t had a raise in many years, and no COL in three.
2. This year, my pay was cut about 7%
3. My cost of benefits has gone up, just like everyone else’s.
4. I’m middle-class – My kids are almost grown, but I’m still paying plenty of tuition.
5. I don’t think I’ve gone out to dinner or a movie in nearly a year. Who can afford it these days? Not me.
6. I work fairly hard for my salary, and I’d like to think that I earn it even though I obviously don’t turn a profit.
7. I have 30 years of experience in my line of work (IT).
8. I find the abuses of government employee at least as infuriating as you do. But that doesn’t mean that all gov. employees are abusing the system or that every governmental body is abusive.
Should I really be feeling guilty that I’m getting paid slightly more than I might find in the private sector at the moment? Should I feel guilty about having a decent benefits package? Do you really think that my job is so mindless that it can be easily farmed out to the private sector for less than I cost? Should I quite my job out of remorse?
Please advise.
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Yes you should…..the whole reason that even get a paycheck is because the government extorts money from the citizens under the threat of force. Don’t believe me…..stop paying your taxes and then try to resist when they show up to throw you in jail. They just might kill you.
My employer doesn’t have that power, why should yours. Your employer hasn’t turned a profit in decades….in the real world the employees would have been laid off and the company assets sold years ago (well since you have have a union they might have gotten a bailout).
I am sure that you are a nice guy, somebody I could drink a beer with (or a Slurpee) but your employer sucks and (I am not directing this at you) to borrow a quote from the movie Serenity:
“You know, in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords.”
Get out now while you can…..take that 30 years of IT experience and put it to use helping people instead of being part of the machine that is trying to grind us into the dust.
I wish you luck….
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I worked in IT in the public sector for a time. One of my friends in the department tried to get a job in the private sector — he was told that his time working at the university we were at did not count as employment because the IT at a university setting is so far behind anything in the “real world”.
Most of the people had secondary jobs because their university jobs were so easy. I know people who still remain at the university working 10 hours a week there, earning $60K a year, getting full benefits and then pulling in another $60K on the side doing other jobs.
I left. I didn’t like living a lie — and the taxpayers in this state aren’t supporting me anymore, and won’t have to support me in old age either. I gave up my pension and I’m glad I did.
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You have a job. Count your blessings. Don’t whine about your pay cuts. Suck it up, call it your contribution to the gov’t debt problem and move out. You are a target of opportunity and convenience right now because your union had colluded with politicians to rip off the tax payers with unsustainable benefits packages and you guys in the rank and file aren’t correcting that. You and your union brothers and sisters are going along to get along with union thugs who don’t care about you beyond extracting money from your paycheck to fund Democratic Party political campaigns.
Wake up dude. Take back your union from the bosses and thugs and partisan politics. Before we, the rest of the people, vote to abolish your union.
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Keep your heads up peeps!
The Progs want you to despair.
That’s how they nullify the constitution and take over.
No?
Read your history (And buy a gun.)
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“Should I really be feeling guilty that I’m getting paid slightly more than I might find in the private sector at the moment?”
You might find in the private sector? Are you kidding? You couldn’t find a job doing the makework you do at any price in the private sector. As for your benefits, we have none and we are stuck paying for your’s.
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May God bless all of those who are dealing with this stuff. Please know that you can overcome it: so many in Texas went through this in the 1980s Oil Bust, and after Enron. So there’s a lot of empathy for you out there.
Whatever happens, the things that matter are the people in your life.
All else is just stuff. Never forget that.
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That’s just it Tina. The oil industry in your neighborhood went bust. Enron went bust. They were failed models so they went under and were replaced by workable models. Now you are doing well. The United States union and liberal-dominated government is even more failed, but just won’t go under. We can’t replace them with a workable model. They just get bigger and bigger and extort more and more from us. We are so doomed.
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My advice would be that if she can afford a 30 year mortgage she can probably pay a bit more each month and aim pay it off in 15 years, it’s not that much more per month. But she doesn’t have to wait 15 years. As soon as she gets the principle down where is isn’t underwater any more she can sell and move.
Any spread sheet program will financial formulas that could help her figure out how many months and how much per month it would take to get the principle down to a certain level. There are probably web sites that have similar calculators.
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True. But how about, since she did everything RIGHT and honorably, she gets a small break like all of those people who do qualify but don’t deserve it? Seems to me it’s not about the money, it’s about the unfairness of what is happening right now—-do it right and more will be demanded of you. Game the system and profit. That’s the Galt trigger. That’s the “Progressive” program. That’s the part that is immoral.
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Tom -
America has more government than it can afford. Period. At almost all levels. That’s what it boils down to: too many regulations, too many government employees who are net tax eaters. It has been a slow-motion strangulation for decades, but it’s still strangulation.
Should you, personally, feel guilty? I dunno. That’s between you and your conscience.
But you work for us, the private-sector taxpayers. And since we are your employer, WE, not you, are the ones who make the call on whether you can or should continue working for us, acc. to the balance sheets of our company.
The balance sheets are currently saying that much of what we are doing will have to be scaled back, drastically and painfully. Middle-class entitlements, entire federal departments, and, yeah, the entire corruptocrat renter class who leech off the system: buh-bye.
The federal government has only a few enumerated powers according to the Constitution. When this country started, there were only 4 federal cabinet departments: Treasury, State, War (Defense), and Justice. During George Washington’s administration there was only 1 federal employee for every 4,000+ citizens (compared to 1 fed for every 150 citizens today) … and yet those early Americans somehow managed to sustain and grow the country without a gigantic government, in an era with no electricity, no modern transportation or communications & no modern technology.
The federal government is now obscenely bloated. It has overstepped its Constitutional powers and boundaries to an extent that surely has the Founders spinning in their graves. And, surprise surprise, we are now mired in nightmare national debt, facing possible currency collapse.
Perhaps we should revisit the prudent visions of limited government, esp. at the federal level, as laid out in the Constitution.
The middle class cannot grow & flourish under systems that do not respect rule of law, private property and individual liberty. Our system was originally designed to allow honest, hard-working & intelligent ***ORDINARY*** people (read: those not born into money, those without the all-important social connections and expensive credentials) to improve their station in life and to give their kids an even better chance still.
That the middle-class is being systematically broken, that those virtues of hard work, thrift and honesty increasingly result in adherents ending chumps rather than successes, should be a big fracking red alert that we have tragically departed from rule of law, respect for private property, and individual liberty.
The “agreement” that another poster mentioned above is nothing less than the “social compact” that John Locke wrote about, the agreement between citizens and government: citizens say, “We will give you X and Y” (power to do X, funded by tax measure Y), in exchange for Z (governance with defined result Z).
It is the breakdown of the social compact that Jefferson addresses in the Declaration of Independence. The government of Great Britain had broken the terms of the agreement, had violated its obligations to the American colonies. And therefore the American colonies were going to form a new government … their own.
We are, and have been for some time, witnessing a breakdown of the social compact here in the United States. Government at many levels is violating its obligations to the American people and failing to deliver on its most basic duties (fixing potholes, protecting the borders, preventing Americans on American soil from being incinerated in their offices by foreign attackers). And yet government, in the midst of this epic fail, is still extracting massive amounts of wealth from its taxpaying citizens via direct taxation, inflation of the currency and borrowing.
It’s just that the middle class, having taken a beating for 30+ years economically, and 40+ years culturally, is now, finally, starting to question the fundamentals of that social compact.
What, indeed, are we getting in exchange for all this taxation and regulation?
Can we afford the amount of government we have?
The answer from the middle class, increasingly and resoundingly, is no. More like “HELL NO.”
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I don’t understand the moral problem walking away from a house.
It’s a business deal, and the bank holds all the experience cards.
They’re really the ones speculating on a continued rise in housing prices making a house affordable for a borrower owing to the borrower’s then-increasing equity.
That is, the bank is banking on the borrower, if he can’t make the payment one day, always being able to pay off the loan by selling the house.
That protects the bank, but the bank is taking that business risk that the house price rises.
And they make money on it (so long as it works).
Let them eat the loss when their bet goes bad.
It’s not a matter of making a promise to pay based on trust, but on mostly fine print, about which they probably lied to you (“you can always refinance”).
In essence, you have a put on the house, if you want to take the option. The house is the collateral of the loan, morally speaking. The lender gets the collateral and nothing more.
Probably there are legal complications to find out about, but not moral complications.
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We’re going through the same thing here. We moved to Ga. from D.C. and we bought our 3br, 2ba house for $196,000 in 2007 after talking the builder down from $218,000, we put $25,000 down. We paid the least of our neighbors. This year the county put our assessment at $143,000, houses are re-selling for about $125-130,000, one is listed for $115,000. We thought we were being totally responsible, we put hard-saved money down, our mortgage is less than 25% of our net pay, we bought less house than we needed at the time. Now our family growing and we’re totally stuck, we’ve lost $25,000 cash and can’t move without wiping out everything else we have saved and could possibly save in the next few years.
We are going to have to look at this through a business perspective, instead of a homeowner. This is a failed investment, it’s going to continue to fail. My moral obligation ultimately lies in doing what’s best for my family, and that will mean letting go of this rapidly depreciating asset. When the rest of the middle class realizes that, it’s over. So far we’re beholden to a sense of honor that does not flow both ways, the banks weren’t honoring us when they let the guy 3 houses down move in without verifiable income and now his foreclosure (and others) are ruining home values.
As dad always told me: ‘As soon as an investment becomes something you choose to do again at this point in time, then it’s time to stop investing in it.’
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Your post reminds me of this cartoon, from just before the French Revolution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Troisordres.jpg
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I’m sorry to see, on waking this morning to spend time with my coffee and Lonely Conservative, that Tom has somehow become a target, one of those people on the other side of an “Obama Wedge” because he found a decent job and kept it. He asks “Should I really be feeling guilty that I’m getting paid slightly more than I might find in the private sector at the moment? Should I feel guilty about having a decent benefits package?”
No. Absolutely not. Tom sounds like a hard working guy who is paying all of his bills and taking care of his responsibilities without government assistance, without gaming the system, and has also not contributed to this mess. Like “Wall Street guys” (who do NOT all own yachts, although their standard of living is higher than mine) I do not resent that Tom is doing okay. I can’t use Obama’s wide brush to paint that line between me and “the other side”. Most Americans are somewhere in the middle. In my first job, although I did not pay dues, I was also covered by a union because my JOB was a union classification; I was covered by that whether I wanted to be or not. I was 16 and quickly figured out I did not want to be involved with a collective of any kind; If Tom can stand it every day in return for a decent standard of living, kudos to him. I know, personally, a lot of Wall Street investment bankers and brokers. I know what money they make. Like a waitress, their salary is so small they couldn’t actually live on that; they’re all under contract and work for their bonuses, the ones Obama would have you believe are astronomical across the board. They’re not. They also live in places where the cost of living is 5 times what mine is, so their cash is relative. I also know what these men and women are willing to give up to earn that kind of money—I could have done that job, if it is what I really wanted. My priorities are elsewhere, I’m not willing to give up what they are willing to give up every day to earn that kind of money. I don’t resent them, and I don’t resent Tom, for simply making good money. What I resent, what is tempting ME to go Galt, is the very idea that if someone is more successful than me we should hate him and punish him; that if someone is less fortunate than me, they get a free ride or all kinds of help that I am not entitled to because they merely have a “need” and I am expected to embrace that idea.
“Contradictions do not exist; if you think you see a contradiction, check your premises: one of them is wrong”. So the premise has, generally, always been that if you make a contract with someone, if you make a promise (get a loan), you keep your end of the bargain. That is the moral thing to do. But what happens when the definition of “moral” is upside down? What happens when you’re told great, no brownie points for you because you’re just doing what you agreed to do and therefore you will be trapped in what you are in forever, because these 25 people over here did NOT keep their end of the bargain—and in fact, we’re going to slash their principle amount by a third because, gee, they just “can’t” pay it, they “need” it? We will help them recover and move forward to a better standard of living because THEY stiffed us—but you….you just keep struggling and sacrificing.
I am back to my Ayn Rand, to Objectivism, to explore what my responsibility is to the “morality” of the current situation. I am checking my premises. I am re-thinking what the “moral” answer is in a time and place when the definition has changed, when “need” is more legitimate than obligation. So forgive the references, but “the sanction of the victims” is what is required here for the Progressive agenda to work. They know, and count on the fact that, we in the middle class who take a promise to a bank seriously, as a moral obligation, will just suck it up and keep working and making our payments and paying our taxes so that they can then take that and give it away to people who do not deserve it, who SHOULD lose their homes, who SHOULD lose their businesses, who SHOULD have to bottom out and start over and take care of themselves. And they don’t do that from some moral high ground of caring so much about the little people, the unfortunate people who “deserve the American dream of owning a home”; they do all of that for power, period. It is the inadequacy in their own personalities that make them feel small and unimportant and drive them to then want to control my life, to feel superior.
I don’t care that some people are filthy rich. I don’t care if they earned it or inherited it, and I don’t care if they fritter it away on gold toilet seats. Their money is not mine and makes no difference to my existence. What I resent much, much more are those “little people” who want something for nothing; who want to make a stupid decision, or take a huge gamble and lose, without having to deal with the consequences because they know I will just keep toiling away and more can be taken from me in order to make them whole. I’m tired of being repeatedly mugged and pistol-whipped and when my attacker drops his weapon, saying “Oh here, you dropped this, beat me again”. I feel, right now, beaten and bloody and a little stupid for continuing to give them what they need from me in order to continue this terrible cycle. The people governing right now need US–the middle class. Not the wealthy and not the poor. WE are the ones who give them the tools to continue damaging the country; they know this. Like Islamic terrorists, they understand our sense of morality, our value system, and instead of admiring us for that, they use it as a weapon against us. How utterly rotten, how utterly immoral.
Tom, keep your head down and don’t accept guilt that’s not yours to carry, don’t for a moment believe that all conservatives resent you because you work in a union classification. Self-immolation on your part won’t fix any of this that you did not create. I would hope that others here would not buy into the Progressive hatred between the classes. If you’re rich and not bothering anyone and living a moral life–good for you. If you’re poor and desperately trying to work your way back to stability and willing to trade value for value–good for you. The real “us and them” is between those who produce and keep our word, and those who rape and pillage. What should REALLY happen is that those of us who do produce, and ask for nothing except a moral transaction, should shrug. Just on a Tuesday, stop paying the bill, all of us, all at once. Demand to be treated fairly (and that does NOT mean “equally”) or stop supporting the rotting system.
I am a conservative. I am also compassionate. But I know the difference between an honorable “need” and a dishonorable one, and I don’t feel morally obligated to support the latter. If “need” has replaced “earned”, I’m not on board anymore.
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I’ve already gone Galt … The heck with it!
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Liberty 5-3000:
A thoughtful reply.
A few things in response:
1) Tom did not “become” a target. To the extent that he is a target (and that’s debatable), he made himself one by self-identifying his job status and other details. And was fairly defensive in his tone. If he did not want to get criticized (as he obviously anticipated he would, hence the defensiveness), he did not have to self-identify.
2) Did you even notice the part about GOVERNMENT “UNION” employee?
The “Obama Wedge” that you speak of (class warfare) is, as you point out, a distraction, a chimera. But there is a very real wedge in this country, one that is not a chimera and one which Obama really does represent: the divide between the public sector, and everyone who lives off it, and the private sector, which has to support not only itself but also the entire public sector.
Since the recession took off in 2008, the private sector has shed jobs like your lab shedding his winter coat. While, guess what, the federal government has been hiring left and right, and has passed porkulus packages, bailouts, and Obamacare costing trillions that we don’t have. (I don’t know enough about all 50 state govts to say what the job & spending trends have been in each.) This disparity in response to an economic downturn (one that could be argued has been exacerbated by precisely that spending and hiring spree by the feds) is what has penny-pinching private-sector people boiling mad. “Sacrifice for thee and not for me.”
Let’s face it, *everyone* will be defensive about their jobs, because one’s job is one’s livelihood and is frequently tied to one’s identity. Family, security, sense of worth — all are tied to having a job. That’s why people will fight tooth-and-nail to retain their job.
So, psychologically, Tom is no different than the rest of us … he will justify what he does because he has to.
But like they say in The Godfather, this isn’t personal, it’s business. It surely feels personal to Tom, but it isn’t (unless he wants to make it so) on the part of the company’s owners, the American Taxpayers.
The company is tanking. We need to make it solvent again or we will ALL go under, for good. Kaput. By downsizing the public sector and reviving the private sector, we will make it possible for govt employees like Tom who might find themselves downsized out of their govt job, to go get a job in the private sector. But if the govt employees resist, fight, scream about and scuttle their fellow citizens’ efforts to downsize govt and drastically reduce spending, then the vast, vast majority of those govt employees will get a big fat nuttin’ when the U.S. crashes and burns. And they will be reason numero uno in its destruction.
THAT is the real “Obama Wedge.” Cloward-Piven 101.
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But I suspect Tom is there feeling like “why am I being attacked”. I’m sure he’s heard over and over and over again that because of his job he should be the target of the pitchforks and torches. I would not disagree that unions in this country–government or otherwise–have organized themselves right out of a job and any public support. Or that Tom didn’t “have” to identify himself that way. I just suspect that, like the rest of us, he’s feeling wounded about being punished when he didn’t do anything wrong. I don’t want to see us descend into the broad-brush, mindless resentment of an entire class of my fellow citizens as happens on the Left. Tom popped up to join a discussion and did, pretty instantly, become a target of anger that he really doesn’t deserve. I just wanted him to step out of that box and know he should not take that to heart as “personal”. As a person, he should be able to shed light on his situation and still be allowed to play nice. That’s all.
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It’s time for us number fours to do something about this…oh yeah, we already have, it’s called the “Tea Party”!
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FWIW, Vox Day picked up the story, too: http://voxday.blogspot.com/2011/01/margaret-thatcher-was-right.html
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I’m a liberal in the same boat with your friend. Her problem (and mine) is that the bank that manages her mortgage gets more money in fees from foreclosure than they do from renegotiating her loan. They have no responsibility either to her or to the folks holding the paper that is her loan. That is why Obama’s mortgage assistance program never went anywhere. Our system may be out of balance, but it is unfair to place the blame only on the government.
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Her misery comes from looking to others to gauge her “happiness.” She will continue to be miserable as long as she does this.
There is a parable in the Bible about workers who are paid the same amount even though some start work in the morning and other right before quitting time. … The moral of the story is this: Worry about yourself.
If this woman believes that she can find “happiness” by buying a bunch of crap instead of making the house payments SHE SIGNED UP FOR, then she should do just that. Stop writing to people telling them you’re going to do it. Do it. If that will bring you “happiness,” then do it, and quit bitching. (By the way, I use “happiness” in quotations because I believe this woman has NO idea what happiness is. She seems to think you can buy it.)
My belief is that this woman is a masochist who believes she finds her “happiness” in her misery (even though she probably doesn’t see that and would never admit to it). That’s why she’ll do anything she can to make sure she’s miserable.
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Where did you read that she wants to buy a bunch of crap? The situation has absolutely nothing to do with the pursuit of stuff.
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Liberty: I appreciate your very thoughtful response. It pretty much embodies how I really feel, but I guess I needed someone else to express it to validate my own feelings.
To those who “attacked me”: I appreciate your responses too. To some degree I share your feelings, hence my moral/ethical conflict.
I know I’m just a cog in a machine, but the machine DOES do SOME useful stuff that we really do need to continue functioning as a society. Every time my employer tries to cut ANY public service we quickly learn that every service has a constituency exerts itself quite loudly.
In response to a couple of the assumptions I’ve noted in the responses:
1. My IT shop is very much up to date. While we certainly not bleeding edge, and our workstations are going to be seriously in need of replacement in another year or two, we using modern tools and techniques for all of our development efforts. The IT infrastructure has been kept up to date on a very very tight budget. We just cut our infrastructure budget by 10-15% by introducing virtualization (for those who follow the tech).
2. I work for a municipality in FL. Much to my amazements, I’ve learned that FL is one of just seven states whose pension plans are FULLY funded. At least we are not in any danger of going bankrupt any time soon. That’s more than many other states can claim.
3. My department saw the economic decline coming several years ago. We starting cutting back three years ago before the tsunami hit so we were in decent financial shape when it did. We’ve managed to continue functioning with a significantly reduced staff and budget.
4. I know that projects that I’ve initiated and deployed are saving the taxpayers in our jurisdiction (I’m one of them) money every day. I’ve earned my keep.
5. Many of you might be surprised to learn that I and many of my co-workers (sadly, not all) care a great deal about efficiency. We do try to provide the services we’re paid to provide as efficiently as possible.
-Tom
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Dude, I’ve been where you are. I was a programmer/analyst for the Utah Dept. of Public Safety in the late 90s when I finally jumped ship to the private sector. I’d been with the state for 9 years. Everyone there thought I was nuts, even though my new employer offered 50% more annual salary, because of the huge benefits and (especially) pension state workers get. (Utah state worker salaries were typically lower than private sector at the time; I don’t know whether that’s still true.)
I had spent those 9 years rapidly climbing the career ladder. There was every reason to be confident that I could do very well in this system and cash in eventually with a very comfortable retirement. My supervisor and the MIS director kept asking me, “are you sure this is what you want?” like I was making some kind of mistake.
So why did I quit? It sounds silly to a lot of people, but I just couldn’t stand the knowledge that I was living off of wealth that was confiscated, against their will, from the people who earned it. Seriously, it kept me up at night sometimes.
Of course, I don’t tell this to most people. Especially not my state co-workers! I told them I wanted to “pursue a wider range of opportunities” (also true, but to a lesser extent). Because my real answer sounds silly to a lot of people. I mean, I worked in the Dept of Public Safety! That’s the Highway Patrol, the Bureau of Criminal Identification, the Crime Lab. That’s what government is supposed to do, right? It’s not like I worked for the Nat’l Endowment for the Arts, or NPR, or some other agency whose claims on those confiscated earnings are Constitutionally dubious at best. I told myself that often, to bury that nagging guilt and go back to work one more week. But in the end, it didn’t matter. As long as the entity that paid me had the power to assess the money it paid me from the public at large without their consent or contractual agreement, it bugged me, and (I eventually realized), it always would.
Something else had always bugged me, too: I wondered if I really had what it took to make a living in the private sector, where I would have to get by on my merits alone. It’s easy to say I’m a good worker, that I’m doing what’s required, and leave it at that. But in a system where it’s damn near impossible to be fired once you pass the 90-day evaluation period, how can you really know? Did I have job security because of “the system,” or because I had actually earned it, because I was too valuable an employee to get rid of? Was I really earning my salary by providing actual economic value greater than the amount on my check? If push came to shove, and one of us had to be let go, and they laid off the other guy, would it be because I was more valuable, or because I had seniority? I didn’t know, and I realized I would never know, as long as I stayed in a system where merit sits so low in its list of values. I realized I had to cut myself loose and find out if I could make it on my own.
When your department had its cutbacks, did they actually lay people off, or just cut back via attrition? Job security is the one “benefit” I rarely hear gov’t workers defend, if they even realize they have it. At UDPS, as at most state and federal departments, the likelihood of me being laid off was practically nil. Even blatantly immoral practices — things that would be firing offenses in the private sector, like the guy who was caught running errands and just plain goofing off when he was supposedly making IT visits to remote offices — resulted only in slap-of-the-wrist punishments (the guy was not allowed to do any more remote visits, but that was it). It’s amazing (and, frankly, sickening) to witness the level of immorality to which some employees will sink, simply because the threat of punishment is so weak.
Anyway, I’m glad I did it, even though the dot-com crash a few years later had me biting my nails for a while. There were *massive* layoffs, and hey, I survived. It was a great feeling, knowing that I was kept around because of the value I brought to the company, not seniority or some other lesser value. Even the ones that were laid off, all found work at other companies pretty quickly, for the most part. It was the *company itself* that suffered for its mistakes, shrank accordingly, regrouped, re-focused its efforts, and grew in a new direction over time. As it should be.
If you find yourself having to defend your situation, even to yourself, you might want to ask yourself why that is, and decide whether that really means something to you or not. It’s all up to you.
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kjackman:
I’ve only been a gov. employee for 8 years. Prior to that I was always private sector, though I did do some consulting at the Federal and County level.
When we adjusted to the new financial reality, it was mostly done through attrition. Empty positions, stayed empty. When the budget cuts came, we had already downsized so we just eliminated the empty positions. Did this three years running. Now, we’re down to the bone.
You’re right about it being difficult to be let go, even for cause, but that doesn’t mean that one can advance without performing (there are exceptions — the “Peter Principle” is still operative). People have punched out their supervisor without getting fired. But I’ve also seen incompitence rewarded with reclassification (downward) and re-assignment to less than favorable duties.In my own group, I’ve seen two people fired for non-performance over the years. It’s not common, and the process is long and painful, but it can be done and is done on a regular basis.
I can’t speak for any organization, besides my own, but we have VERY strict ethics guidelines. Anyone caught with their hand in the till or their hand out is fired almost immediately, and the police are called at once. I deal with vendors all the time. We can’t accept so much as a cookie from them. We turn down the customary tshirts, pens, and other doodads they offer.
Still, I’m not too thrilled with the work or the politics, but it was like that in the private sector too. In IT, over 30 is considered over the hill (even it it’s untrue). At my age, trying to get back into the private sector, with the “gov-employee” albatross hangin’ around my neck, isn’t going to be easy.
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Every institution is different. Some big private corporations have the same “politics” problems as govt institutions. Even many small companies do. All the more loss for them, when the inevitable recession hits, and they have to cut to the bone. That’s when you find out which divisions were earning their keep, and which ones weren’t.
So if you don’t like the politics where you work, private or public, you look for other work somewhere else.
Your department sounds like that small minority of govt offices that behaves in a more responsible fashion. If so, you’re lucky in this regard. When people are publicly fired for non-performance, that has a tendency to keep everyone else in line. The institutional ossification has that much less opportunity to set in.
Your age should not figure in your value to a potential employer, if they have any sense at all. If you have skills and productivity commensurate with what you expect to be paid, if your being there means that the company can bring in revenue that exceeds the amount it costs them to hire you, more so than the other applicants, then it’s a smart transaction and they should hire you, end of story. Anyone that would not hire such a person simply because of age, or thinks that all IT workers with the same years of experience and certifications are interchangeable like Legos, is a fool.
You don’t have to work for fools; if decide you want to switch to the private sector, just stay where you are, and keep looking until you find an employer who is not a fool. This takes time. But they are out there.
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“but the machine DOES do SOME useful stuff that we really do need to continue functioning as a society.”
Fine. Then let it offer these services in the free market, where its “customers” can CHOOSE whether they wish to pay for them or not. (Just as my customers — I’m in IT also — are free to decide whether they want to hire my services.) So long as its “useful” activities are funded by coercion, that is the ONLY fact that matters, and it is morally no better than any other thief who may claim to be doing you a favor by lightening your wallet while holding a gun to your head.
What is the difference between love and rape? One word: Force. If force is involved, it’s rape, regardless of ANY other circumstance.
I’m a reasonable guy. I’m willing to compromise with those who claim that we “need” government. I’m willing to agree to, say, a 5% sales tax, levied at the county level (and paid by everyone, no exemptions for favored classes such as “nonprofits”), then shared out among ALL levels of government. That would be the ONLY tax allowed anywhere in the country. I believe that would be sufficient to fund any and all LEGITIMATE government “services”. I may be being overgenerous here, but I’m willing to give this a try.
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The blame rests first with those who set up the system that is failing us. The government required banks to increase loans to minorities, the “disadvantaged”, and penalized the banks when there where not enough “good loan risks” in that pool. The banks (regulated by the government) changed underwriting rules to allow “liar loans” etc, to reach the target set by the government.
So, the banks are responsible for making the loans instead of just paying the government penalties. The borrowers are responsible for taking loans they could never repay. But neither of these would have happened if the government hadn’t tried to social engineer the housing market.
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Why is the middle class squeezed? Because the ultrarich have come to dominate government and politics to their own advantage. Warren Buffett said that there is a class war in this country, and his class is winning even though it shouldn’t be.
The bottom 80% of our population has taken a big hit since the 70s to the benefit of the top 1% of earners. Facts don’t lie:
Distribution of income in the United States, 1982-2006
Top 1 percent /Next 19 percent /Bottom 80 percent
1982 12.8%/ 39.1%/ 48.1%
1988 16.6%/ 38.9%/ 44.5%
1991 15.7%/ 40.7%/ 43.7%
1994 14.4%/ 40.8%/ 44.9%
1997 16.6%/ 39.6%/ 43.8%
2000 20.0%/ 38.7%/ 41.4%
2003 17.0%/ 40.8%/ 42.2%
2006 21.3%/ 40.1%/ 38.6%
I don’t know why everyone is blaming government employees; they certainly aren’t in the top 1%.
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Tom, you might also want to look at the percentage of the taxes paid by those categories. They pay their share and then some. And I’ve never been hired by anyone other than a rich person.
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I see my rich boss’s tax returns. He’s paying more than his “fair share”. He’s not the guy I resent—he earned his money. I resent the bottom feeders who feel that because 1% of the population is silly-ass rich, it’s okay to take from ME and just get in line for all of the free or nearly free stuff.
Gotta tell ya, it’s the people below me who think they deserve my stuff that makes me more angry.
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Amen.
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Because “income distribution” isn’t the problem. This is not Left vs. Right, not Rich vs. Poor. It’s the Responsible vs. the Irresponsible.
I’m not rich, but I don’t resent those who are, provided customers voluntarily purchased goods or services from them in fair and honest transactions. The problem is, it’s getting damn near impossible to set up an “honest transaction” anymore without being left behind.
Everywhere you look, people in this country, both rich and poor, are being bailed out of their bad decisions by the federal government. Banks and other institutions are deemed “too big to fail” and given a second chance. That’s bull$#!t. Their corrupt ways and leaders brought them to the precipice, and we’re going to let their organization continue with the same people in charge? Insane! Banks A and B, who over-leveraged and profited hugely by trading those subprime derivatives, then got caught without a chair to sit in when the music stopped – they get bailouts, while Banks C, D, and E, who wisely avoided overextending themselves, have to suffer on their own? No way. Put A and B in receivership, sell off their assets and customer base to competitors C, D, and E that didn’t make the same stupid mistakes. That’s what *should* have happened. Instead, C, D, and E now look like chumps for doing the right thing. Thanks, Bush and Obama administrations!
Meanwhile, for the “little people,” you have these govt mortgage plans that try to “rescue” irresponsible borrowers that should never have taken out mortgages. So what if the banks told them they could afford it, or “you’ll be making more money by the time the interest rate increases,” or whatever other dishonest story they bought into when they signed on the dotted line? It’s your responsibility to avoid loans that will get you in trouble. Whatever happened to healthy skepticism and “caveat emptor?” Whatever happened to doing the math yourself and realizing, “omigosh, maybe spending 50% of my monthly wages on my mortgage isn’t a good idea?”
Hey, folks, the bankers told me the same damn stories. I could have easily afforded more house than I bought in 2004, and they sure tried to talk me into it. Ah, but I was wiser! At least, I *thought* I was. But guess what? The people who took on more than they could afford are the ones being “rescued.” The rest of us – the ones still dutifully paying those mortgage payments, even when the house is worth less than the mortgage, because we honor our contracts – we’re the chumps.
A “moral hazard” happens when institutional rules make honest people into chumps. Rick Santelli was all fired up about this in his “rant heard round the world.” It resonated with so many middle class Americans that it kicked off the whole Tea Party movement. It was NOT about “the richest 1% stealing from the poor” or any other such Marxist nonsense. If you’re still thinking in terms of that discredited framework, a debunked system of 19th-century economic thinking that should have been thrown out with phrenology and phlogiston, then you need to pull your head out and see where the anger and frustration is really coming from. And, buddy, it ain’t comin’ from “distribution of income.” It’s coming from redistribution of the rewards of honesty and punishments of failure. From each according to his honesty, to each according to his politically favored status!
> I don’t know why everyone is blaming government
> employees; they certainly aren’t in the top 1%.
Interesting observation. Do you often find yourself confused with such questions? Does your car run on phlogiston?
Maybe you should ask California’s state and municipal government employees what they thought of the unsustainable level of pay and benefits their unions extracted from the legislature, especially those tidy defined-benefits pensions. You know, the ones that assumed 8% year-over-year economic growth in perpetuity. Hypothetically, upon hearing that your union had secured such benefits for you, would your reaction be: A) Hmm, is that really, you know, possible? What happens if that 8% doesn’t pan out? Have we gone too far? Or: B) Ka-chinggg!!
No, it’s not all the fault of government employees alone. It’s the fault of their unions, and the legislatures and executives in government that agreed to contract for these unsustainable levels of spending. But seriously, while the private sector is shedding jobs, while the unemployed are raiding their 401(k)s (the only “pension” most of them have), and the ranks of federal govt employees are *expanding* for cripes sakes, don’t sit there wondering why people have it in for the poor little govt employees. With nearly all governments operating at a deficit, i.e., broke, maybe you should be wondering where in hell your magic paycheck is coming from. SOMEone’s paying for that. Care to guess who?
Clearly, some government employees are necessary and worth the value paid for them. And clearly, the vast majority of government employees do NOT fall in that category. Else how did we, as a country, survive before those positions were legislated into being?
I don’t know which category you fall into. Frankly, it doesn’t matter; we don’t have the luxury of time to sort out which is which on an individual level. Every govt employee right now is a manifestation of the economy-sucking failure that brings us closer every day to default, hyperinflation, crushing taxes and austerity, or whatever other nightmare scenario must inevitably follow if we stay this course. To the Responsible in this vast jobless wilderness, your comment and implied question, reeking as it does of institutional ignorance and elitism (“not in the top 1%” notwithstanding), does not help you. Try to be a bit more understanding of the rest of us chumps.
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The “Tom” whose post you are replying to is NOT the “Tom” who self-identified as a gov. employee.
Tom (now Tom (gov. emp.))
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Ah, duly noted. Thanks for pointing that out.
I still stand by my response, though some parts of it are now uselessly directed at a hypothetical govt employee making the same statement.
The rest, about this being Responsible vs. Irresponsible, and the futility of the Marxist worldview in addressing or even understanding the problem – I stand by those without amendment.
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Philalethes: For what it’s worth, I mostly agree with you. However, the devil is in the details. It’s tough to figure out what can and cannot be farmed out to the private sector.
Let’s stick with what I know: IT
Could we outsource our IT economically? It’s been tried. And failed. The problem is that we don’t have the flexibility that a corporation would have in changing process. Our systems exist to support process and procedures mandated by law, policy, and history. The rules are often antiquated, out of touch with reality, convoluted, and conflicting. Yet trying to change any of it is a nightmare and cannot be driven by IT. We make the best of it. Outsiders, who don’t posses the experience working within the system always try to over-simply things. Even when the outsiders are right, it almost never works out because of the inertia generated by that which is already in place (think “Sisyphus”).
Outsource regulation? How? Police/Fire&Rescue? Transit (always operates at a loss).
I can see outsourcing lots of support functions like security (already being done) and cleaning services (ditto), but the core functionality? Not so much.
-Tom
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There’s a fourth for your list: Other governments
How many billions, hell, trillions are our government giving to other governments around the world.
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[...] The Squeezing of the Middle Class | The Lonely Conservative WHY? Why would I continue to deny my own happiness, when my sense of honor only gets me punished? When it’s what everyone else counts on in order to make their flawed scheme work? What do I owe, here? To whom do I owe it really? I spent my entire life putting other people and my financial obligations ahead of my happiness, ahead of my chance to live while I’m here on the earth and not just exist in some gray zone, making sure MY bills are paid. [...]
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I know exactly how this person who emailed you feels. I know you’ve emailed me once before giving encouragement.
I live in California and that doesn’t help to start things off, but I’ve been unemployed for a year now, twice since 2008 and I’m barely “making it”. The job scene out there is tough, I’m still hitting the grind daily, hoping something comes and I feel I’m one of the people who (for most of their life) has tried to the right thing but honestly, it doesn’t seem to be working. That’s just how I feel. I had decent grades in h.s., paid my way through school and loans, got a good GPA, degree, worked several jobs, finally got a good job then laid off.
At the company I worked for, I felt I worked hard, kept my nose clean, I even took a pay cut and furlough days in order to “save my job” and it still didn’t help. There are those who were butt kissers and didn’t do much who still have their jobs there which is irritating on top of that.
I don’t understand sometimes how people who are like that or manipulate the system get things, but people who are actually working hard and trying to be good, seem to get left behind.
I had a buddy email me the other day asking me what my plans were and what have I been looking for work, etc and he stressed that he is getting fed up with things and that he is tired of doing the same thing over and over and not getting any new results. Of course I wrote back being a smartass telling him that I believe that is called “Insanity” (which is what I feel most are at).
Somethings gotta give somewhere.
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Where’s this woman’s family? Are they strewned all over the country and she alone? Why is America’s middle class so splintered? When difficulties arise, the individual is fragmented from the whole. Then we expect strength enough to combat and overcome them? It’s a family business. But where’s the family?
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Trigger says: “I don’t understand sometimes how people who are like that or manipulate the system get things, but people who are actually working hard and trying to be good, seem to get left behind.”
Big dittos there, and that’s what the heart of the discussion is; why good, honest people are tempted to say “I’m done, I’m not paying for this” and walk away. Play by the rules and give up your own small happinesses in order to finance the happiness of all those people who game the system and are rewarded by your hard work. Incidentally to the angry troll, “happiness” does not automatically mean “buying stuff”—I would assume that’s a projection of your own definition of happiness. For others, it is merely being free of the current extortion of those who DO want “stuff”, at our expense.
The widespread(ing) feeling of anger and betrayal among the honest middle class, watching dishonest people profit when our hard work is “redistributed” is a dangerous thing. If the middle class says “nope! done!”, everything will fall apart. And maybe that’s going to have to happen to get back to the essence of America, what it was efore we started exalting the “victim class”.
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Who is the “victim class” here? Is it the responsible, honorable, traditional, independent people who are whining that they don’t matter because the federal government favors someone else over them, and they are too stupid and unprincipled to find an honest living without government handouts?
If you are “going John Galt”, then just keep going . . . far away from the USA.
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